2007-03-06 [xido]: Hello Danboo (and everyone else).

I have an idea for you, you shapeshifter, you....  In the eventual proposal for Elftown Clans on the House presentation, there was going to be a choice of 'Multiple Clans'....  What if, say, a 'Multiple Clansperson' would be a member of an unspoken Clan of shapeshifters, and those people with more than one Clan would be subject to certain rules of the Clans, as per each Clan's own decision on who would be eligible for entry into the ECM session of a Clan's race.... I know that sounds funny.

But each of the Elftown Clans will have the chance to enter one of the Elftown Creature Marathon Contest List sessions as a group, and if the Clan decides that Shifter Clan members are not allowed to join in the final cut for session media, then it would be a decision made by the Clan (and not from the Houses - GOP and MGP) as to whether the final Clan-post was going to be from 'true' races of the Clans or not...

I did not plan for a Shifter Clan, and the <poll:73926> currently does not have a choice of multiple Clans/races. We will have to do some more discussions on this, but I think it might be a viable option in the future. ;)
-will

2007-03-06 [Ravenclaw]: sounds like a plan but I have another question. What does GOP and MGP stand for? lol

2007-03-06 [Estantia]: That won't work for everyone though, you can be a member of more than one clan without being a shapeshifter (for example a dragon/elf hybrid), and shapeshifters in the truest sense of the word are very rare among the population, not to mention that by their very nature they would belong to two clans as they have a base form and shifted forms.

2007-03-06 [Ravenclaw]: But Shapeshifters are a clan of their own. They aren't hybrids. Even though they could act as medeators between the clans they have a set of rules and legends of their own. Their shifted forms would still make them part of one clan. I would assume certin rules apply to Hybrids. Such as a concevable reason as to why a elf and a dragon can produce a hybrid. I mean it's a tad unbelievable for a dragon and a human to mate. Unless you say that a dragon has secondary humanoid form then the dragon would fall under the werecreature category. That means that its not a half blooded dragon and powers atributed to the hybrid would change. An Elfkind/weredragon could possibly have a third form. Elf, dragon then a mixture of the two forms. Then you have the problem of which clan the hybred would belong to. The werecreature or elf or since they would have a thrid form is there another clan for that one? Or would a hybrid be in a clan all it's own because it is a hybrid. And how would different hybrids coexist in a clan together seeing as how they are all different?

2007-03-06 [Estantia]: that was precisely my point ravenclaw... xido was suggesting multiple clanspeople (ie hybrids) be part of shapeshifters...

On the elf/dragon mix? I've just seen characters that are, don't shoot the messenger..

2007-03-06 [Ravenclaw]: When it comes to things I can't earn money at, like deciphering the possibilities with how an elf and a dragon can have a kid I tend to over think things.

2007-03-07 [Estantia]: from what I read they might have been a weredragon or just a shapeshifter...

2007-03-07 [Ravenclaw]: oh. I was in a game once where wherecreatures where bound to one form. Mine was half human half were and had 3 forms, human, raven and a mixture of both. there was another character who was a weredragon.

2007-03-07 [J. "dragonruler" Rouse]: How about just finding a middle ground instead of bickering? Obviously none of you are budging and clearly [xido] is trying to find some suggestions.

2007-03-07 [Ravenclaw]: We're not bickering, not in my opinion. We're just discussing views. I mean I don't think we're bickering... are we? Perhaps we should move this conversation to a message. That way everyone else can talk. We seem to be monopolizing the comments.

2007-03-07 [J. "dragonruler" Rouse]: *Waves hand* Nah, don't worry about taking up the comments... as long as it gets resolved, right?

2007-03-07 [Estantia]: the specifics can be discussed later, but asking what to do about the hybrids does pose an interesting point, let them be a part of both clans? Does the fact that someone (like ravenclaw's character) can shift between three forms make them a shapeshifter?

Personally I'd say yes to the first (can't see how else it would work) and no to the second, but that's mostly because I don't count werecreatures as shapeshifters...

2007-03-07 [J. "dragonruler" Rouse]: I'd have to agree with your first idea.

2007-03-07 [Ravenclaw]: Seeing them as a part of both clans works for me. That offers the player more chances to play among different clans if they wish. Say you have one character who feels like they belong to one clan more than the other. They can stay with that clan and play with their progress. If you have character who dosent feel like they belong to one or the other then that offers emotional conflict for them and they can have adventures with both clans if they choose.

2007-03-07 [Estantia]: Sounds good to me :) but what about the semi-shapeshifters? (the ones who can shift between one or two species only) treat them as hybrids and let them join one or both clans as they wish?

2007-03-08 [xido]: "Estantia: That won't work for everyone though, you can be a member of more than one clan without being a shapeshifter (for example a dragon/elf hybrid)"

True. [Ravenclaw], you are hereby charged to do the following:
Make a Shifter Clan for the Elftown Clans, which will be another of the Minor Clans. We will add shapeshifter to the FESL.
Also: GOP - Grande Olde Partye (what I termed the Majority House) and MGP - Minorities Groups Party (the Minorities House).
See the respective pages, The Fantasy GOP and The Fantasy Minority.

We will have to make Shifters and Multiple Clans different choices on the presentations, then. Hybrids will go to the latter. Remember, each Clan will have the ability to make its own internal rules and regulations, so that each is unique in a dual-House party system.

2007-03-08 [Estantia]: sorting out what counts as a shapeshifter will be interesting though :) any ideas?

2007-03-08 [Zero X]: I got invited to this so I guess you all wouldn't mind if I do a little selfess promotion.

I have a RP site at http://www.rpinfinity.com. Presently there are 6 RP's on the site. It has it's own chat room and message board (Where most of the RP happens untill we get enough people to take it to chat). The site features, polls, submission pages for your poems, art, stories, and whatever else, and also the feature to submit your own RP. If me and my admins like your RP idea, then you get your very own site that you have complete controll over.

So, if you're interested in more RP options, check out the site. We need more people and even a little would be appreciated. Thanks ^_^

2007-03-09 [Ravenclaw]: woah I know I asked if I could start one but I don't think I actualy expected to get the job. Thanks! I am going to assume that Shape shifters go under the Minorities page. You'll find my progress there. I should have it done tonight if I can pry myself from my vhs copy of Silence of the Lambs.

2007-03-09 [Estantia]: human clans seems to be locked...

2007-03-10 [xido]: Sorry, [Estantia], that should be fixed now. You are most welcome, [Ravenclaw]. ;)  Shifter Clan is formatted and good to go for you. It is art of both the Fantasy Minority and the Minor Clans, because it is non-polled, and therefore on the Fantasy Endangered Species List.

[Zero X], I don't mind the advertisement, but it does not take me directly to your page. Do you have to sign up to see them?

Also, hybrids are now a part of the Sci-Fi Factions
-will